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Snapter (i wish it worked...i wish it worked...)

Snapter is a brand new program that sounds terrific in concept, but falls flat when it comes to execution. Snapter is supposed to be a document scanner that works from the images taken with your digital camera. It claims to be able to automatically correct the angle of the document and even the perspective skew. With books, it's supposed to automatically recognize the binding curve and compensate accordingly to create 'straightened' separate images for each page. Like i said, sounds terrific in concept - but before you toss out that old flatbed and shell out $49 for this snazzy-sounding program, take a look at what it did to my music:

Snapter's first attempt to recognize the border of my music and flailing badly....

The red lines are supposed to represent the border that Snapter recognizes around the document against the dark background. That lower left corner looks pretty wacky to me...and the right border isn't all that great either...

Snapter sees borders in the 5th dimension or something...

Maybe it's the fact that there are music notes and notation markings instead of predictable straight lines of text that's making Snapter draw out borders like the music comes from the 5th dimension or something...

Anyway, witness the distorted results (those of you with queasy stomachs should cover your eyes - this ain't pretty):

Snapter's Funhouse of Mirrors

I think i saw an episode of Star Trek where the transporter malfunctioned like this...

Yes, kids, like the results of a defective transporter from Star Trek, these are the sorry results.

The other frustration, i must admit, comes from the fact that my 5.1 megapixel Sony DSC-T7 does such a lousy job of capturing the music in fine enough detail for a decent scan:

I see cheese, cheese, walkin' on its knees...

With all the little blue nodes surrounding the border of Snapter's bad guesses, you'd think it'd be a simple matter to select a few and make manual adjustments, but it acts like a pit of angry asps if you try to move any of the nodes (and not all of them are selectable), skewing the borders even more horribly out of alignment.

Sigh...i really love the idea of this program, i just wish it actually worked when it comes to music...



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8 comments:

I am quite disapointed that snapster has such limited capabilities. However, just like initial launch of tablet pc, I really believe snapster will come to fruition if enough efforts are put.
by: Chun Shun Lau (contact) - 28 Apr '07 - 20:54
Hi, the new version 1.03.04 has already solved this error and has much better support for books. The version reviewed was older (1.03.03). Please make sure to try the latest version.
by: Sarasin (contact) - 30 Apr '07 - 03:56
See new processing of Hugh Sung's music sheets on this page using new version of Snapter (v. 1.03.04)
http://www.atiz.com/test001...
by: Sarasin (contact) - 30 Apr '07 - 09:09
Sorry, I got much worse results than Hugh using 1:03:04 on a book that was all text and pretty much straight and clear. I didn§t expect it to be perfect, but I thought it would be easier to use and more of a real program than just an idea. I'll have to see if I have any photos of flat sheets to test, but I don't know why I'd really need anything special for those when I have Acrobat.
by: Karla (contact) - 01 May '07 - 10:27
Karla. Just send those images that u had problems with to us at snapter@atiz.com.

I'm sure we can work them out easily. Let us see and tell u why u can't the good result.

Surely, we hope it's not an idea because it is actually state-of-the-art computer vision algorithm that comes from years of Ph.D. research.
by: Sarasin (contact) - 01 May '07 - 11:07
I'm unimpressed. I had tried the 03.03 version on a jpg of a marriage certificate. The original picture show a certificate that has been folded at some stage (so does not sit flat in the image) and photographed by someone who was not directly above it. It is on the table, the photographer is obviously by the table. So the certificate is not rectangular and needs edge detection to work. Edge detection didn't work particularly well despite the black background, much as the music sheet example above.

I see the software has been up-issued to 03.04. So I download the new version to try. (I see the trial period doesn't extend from the one day left :-) but worse I still have to confirm "later" 3 separate times before it'll come in.)

Well I try the same example image. I can load it as "book" (since the shape to be detected is fairly book shaped). In this case all the nodes sit on a straight line at the top of the image, and are unmovable ?!? Or I can load as "document" in which case the 4 edges can not be adjusted to be non-straight, which messes up any accurate edge definition.

Oh, and beware of pressing to load it in as something different before changing your mind and going for the "process" button. The software may decided to have a laugh and make the "process" button inactive by the time you want to try it. Which necessitates starting again from scratch.

If you do get to process the image the result appears to be "little more" than a cropped version of the original, Certainly not the flattened version as expected. And one doesn't need additional specialist software to crop a photo,

This software has a long way to go. Personally I'd be embarrassed to release it in this form, since it does nothing to enhance the company name/brand image. It obviously has potential but there is a basic rule about applications, to do with getting them to work first.

Excuse me for not getting involved in sending on the files in question, it's not sufficiently important to me it's corrected, this post is for others' benefit, and I'm sure the problems are not something unique to my test image.
by: Gaz (contact) - 08 May '07 - 03:27
Hi Gaz - thanks so much for your input on this. I haven't gotten around to trying the updated versions, but i hope to sometime in the next few days or so...but from what i'm hearing from several folks, it looks like there still needs to be a lot of work done before this can be a reliable paper-to-digital solution. I love the idea...kind of reminds me of the early stages of PDF annotator. The first version was - to put it bluntly - flat out awful! Page turns took forever, inking was quirky, tons of bugs...the idea was great, but not ready for prime time. About 6 months or so later, i get around to trying PDF Annotator again, and suddenly it was AMAZING - blazing fast page turns, smooth inking, search capabilities...it took a while, but the end product really came out to meet the initial expectations. I just hope Snapter can follow a similar success curve as they continue to develop and fix this product...hopefully it won't take 6+ months...
by: Hugh (contact) - 08 May '07 - 10:49
I've found that it works great for flat pages, but poorly for books. Frankly though I can process loose pages faster on my old scanner with a multi-page feeder and get similar to better results. Snapter is a great idea with a poor implementation.
by: Tyler Heibeck (contact) - 31 Jan '08 - 12:19





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